i would have much preferred to listen to this conversation before the dinner table than this podcast. i always heard he was a complete dick like as a musician and they weren't cool but again sort of back to the end there used to be mystery about rock stars and stuff. I mean you just heard rumor they had no instagram account they didn't let you in his life. He's pretty still into doing what he does sort of thing yeah he's not chasing dreams matthew uh the bears are. We'll get to that we'll get to it because it's well we're all coming from a real artist after listening to this you liked him more and less equallyyou think he's a