The timing of that we still hope is actually the early 2030s. We're trying to evolve technology and make it economically viable at the same time. The fusion ecosystem is almost unrecognizable from where it was like five years ago around those things. There's also a very important role for academics who have knowledge about what's going on, but are sufficiently distant from it so they're not fully only self-motivated just by their own projects or so forth.

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