I get some optimism from the fact that, uh, remarkable number of people are interested in listening to our long conversations about the nature of democracy. No, no easy answers, but I think this is something we just have to do over and over and over again. It really does depend on where you are in your community and what the people around you care about. The book ends with this image of, you know, let's not aspire to be founding fathers, but perennial midwives.

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