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062: UX School of No B.S. with Joe Natoli

User Defenders – UX Design & Personal Growth

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The School of Hard Knocks

I was smart enough to surround myself with people who were better than me. I don't believe that I was the best boss or manager that I could have been. My wife is an incredibly clear-eyed business partner. She took the best of what I do and focused it, you know, and said, you need to be doing this and you need to let everything else go. So all of that is a long answer to a very simple question: Brings us down to present day? Yes.

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