I think we often also underestimate like it's not like it magically the three days later was the best thing to happen No, it took like eight months for me to be like okay This is not but it was a lot of work. A couple crappy pages a day eventually got me to a rough draft which I edit and now it's there. Having done this now, you know at least 10 times I at least more or less trust like if I show up every day and I don't quit I'll get something That's not embarrassingly bad that's a low bar Low bars are helpful though. Yeah, I mean, you know people are like I just want to be like a supermodel
Jordan Harbinger is a podcaster, radio personality, entrepreneur and longtime friend of Ryan’s. So when he invited Ryan to come to The West in LA to join him for a live conversation for his podcast, The Jordan Harbinger Show, Ryan jumped on a plane right away. This is that conversation, in which they discuss how they find their flow states, the ins and outs of teaching Stoicism, cultivating a healthy relationship with work, and more. You can follow Jordan’s work on Twitter @JordanHarbinger and Instagram @jordanharbinger, and on his website www.jordanharbinger.com.
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