The book is based on pretty much hundreds of people that i was in touch twho were held across detention centres. And so they were using hidden phones to send the messages. There was a very real risk that if the information, if the, you know, my source, was made public or was iam released, that they could literally be tortured like. They were very much in real danger at that time. So actually, people did want to talk, like a lot of, i say in the book, like a lots of this ended up kind of almost as a friendship,. Some of them hadn't left a whole in a year. You know, they hadn't seen sunlight in a
Over four million people have fled Ukraine since Russia's invasion began. The support for Ukranians has been compassionate and heartwarming but it has also raised questions about why those fleeing North Africa and the Middle East are not afforded the same degree of sympathy. Sally Hayden is an award-winning journalist and photographer, and Africa Correspondent for The Irish Times. Her new book, My Fourth Time, We Drowned: Seeking Refuge on the World’s Deadliest Migration Route, tells the stories of refugees making perilous journeys and seeks to investigate the murky politics that means not all asylum seekers are given the same opportunities. Our host for this discussion is the economist, broadcaster and writer, Linda Yueh.
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