Why We’re at a Fourth Turning

Stijn Schmitz welcomes Brett Rentmeester to the show. Brett is the Founder of WindRock Wealth Management. Their conversation centers on the current economic landscape, highlighting critical challenges facing the global financial system, particularly the United States. Rentmeester argues that the economy has fundamentally changed since the mid-1970s, when the dollar decoupled from gold. Since then, the economic system has relied increasingly on debt and money printing, creating an unsustainable financial structure. He points to several systemic issues, including declining real wages, skyrocketing costs in healthcare and education, and massive government debt that is increasingly difficult to service.

Stijn explores potential scenarios for economic transformation, presenting two primary paths: proactive systemic change or a potential catastrophic reset. Brett suggests we are in a “fourth turning” moment—a generational shift where existing institutions are losing public trust and facing potential fundamental restructuring. A key theme is the potential return to “sound money,” potentially through tokenized gold, cryptocurrency, or a new monetary system backed by hard assets. Brett believes there’s a significant likelihood of monetary reimagination within the next five to ten years, driven by increasing public dissatisfaction with current economic structures.

For individual investors, he recommends a diversified approach: maintaining investments in traditional assets while also acquiring hard assets like gold, silver, and real estate. The strategy involves having “one foot in the existing system and one foot out,” preparing for potential significant economic disruption. Regarding potential global conflict, Rentmeester hopes for a collaborative reset rather than a destructive war cycle, emphasizing the importance of proactive monetary reform. His overall message is one of cautious preparation, understanding that while the current system faces significant challenges, there are potential pathways to a more stable economic future.

Timestamps:
00:00:00 – Introduction
00:01:03 – Times of Great Change
00:02:33 – Debt Saturation Discussion
00:04:33 – Cracks in Society
00:08:11 – Demographic Challenges
00:11:16 – Fiat Money Creation
00:12:31 – Gold Standard History
00:14:00 – Central Banks Gold Buying
00:15:38 – Crony Capitalism Critique
00:16:44 – US Debt Mathematics
00:20:50 – Why Now Inflection
00:24:56 – Future Paths Outlined
00:28:42 – Global Power Shifts
00:42:03 – Portfolio Construction Strategies

Guest Links:
Website: https://windrockwealth.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brettrentmeester/

Brett Rentmeester founded WindRock Wealth Management to bring tailored investment solutions to investors seeking an edge in an increasingly uncertain world. Mr. Rentmeester is a veteran and entrepreneur in the investment business. Through his career, including as a co-founder of Altair Advisers and manager at Arthur Andersen, he was a trusted confidant for business owners, entrepreneurs and family offices.

His entrepreneurial spirit led him to create and build a number of successful companies in the financial services industry through partnership with the Jaggi Family Office, where he serves as the Chief Investment Officer. Throughout his career, he has focused on the importance of strong relationships, strategic thinking, and an expertise in alternative investments.

Mr. Rentmeester’s media appearances include appearances on the PBS Nightly Business Report program, the Chicago Tribune, and the World Presidents’ Organization. He graduated magna cum laude from the University of Arizona with a degree in Finance and earned his MBA from Northwestern’s Kellogg Graduate School of Management. He has been a multiple-year recipient of the Chicago Magazine Five Star Wealth Award, is a Chartered Financial Analyst charterholder (CFA®) and has the Chartered Alternative Investment Analyst designation (CAIA®).