I think it's kind of interesting because in the age of social media and attention economies. I think a lot of their work is driven by what others find exciting. And I think that ultimately leads to a life that's not fulfilling. So you try to do something that's accepted by others because that's maybe likely to give results right away. But it's a long game. It's a very long game. If you are aiming a long-term change and long-term impact, you got to be very, very patient about it and you better tame your ego.

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