Economics and landed cost of humanoids

Ryan Gariepy is the co-founder and former CTO of Clearpath Robotics and Otto Motors, acquired by Rockwell Automation for $600M+ in 2023. He bootstrapped the company for five years with only $300K in funding, reached profitability in 18 months, and spent 14 years building mobile robotics platforms that became the industry standard for research and industrial automation.

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What you'll learn:

1. Why robotics is a systems discipline where progress stacks rather than explodes
2. How to bootstrap a hardware company to $10M revenue before raising venture capital
3. Why robotics follows 20-50% sustained growth for decades vs. software's boom-bust cycles
4. The "promise problem" with humanoid robots and why form factor shapes user expectations
5. How manufacturing in Canada (not China) became a strategic advantage for Clearpath
6. Why founders overestimate 2-year progress but underestimate 10-year impact in robotics
7. The real economics of humanoid robots: $20K cost becomes $80K landed price
8. How robotics investment differs from software: less competitive, more defensible
9. Why experience compounds in hardware but expires in software careers
10. Investment criteria for robotics: engineering risk vs. technical risk and go-to-market strategy

In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Introduction and live event announcement

(03:29) Ryan's background: Clearpath Robotics and Otto Motors

(04:06) Building two brands under one company

(06:29) The 14-year journey: challenges and non-linear growth

(07:11) Bootstrapping robotics when "nobody thought you could make money"

(08:17) Reaching profitability in 18 months with research customers

(10:28) Building robotics platforms for MIT, universities, and research labs

(11:03) Manufacturing in Canada vs. outsourcing to Asia

(15:05) Reconnecting after 20 years: the Waterloo entrepreneurship connection

(16:17) Working at Kiva Systems (now Amazon Robotics)

(18:10) Why robotics is more exciting now than ever in history

(19:21) Robotics as systems discipline: no single breakthrough technology

(21:22) The overhype cycle and realistic expectations

(22:14) Software explodes then crashes; robotics compounds for decades

(23:36) Why hardware is harder but more mission-driven

(25:27) The talent pool advantage: people irrationally love hardware

(27:30) Physical AI and real-world impact beyond software optimization

(28:07) Humanoid robots: incredible tech, miscalibrated expectations

(32:41) The "promise problem": form factors make promises to users

(34:35) Consumer robotics examples: Matic cleaning robot

(35:59) Asia leading in restaurant and airport robotics deployment

(38:37) Training challenges and precursor technologies needed

(39:20) China's role in robotics and humanoid development

(41:08) Venture capital structures forcing "ridiculous things" in robotics

(42:36) Robotics for entertainment vs. utility as consumer use case

(43:52) Imad's robotics investments: Embark, Gecko Robotics, vertical AVs

(45:23) Why robotics is less competitive than software

(47:21) Operational design domain and technology risk assessment

(48:19) The AV journey: Waymo, Zoox, and the importance of experience

(49:39) Experience compounds in hardware, expires in software

(50:31) Rapid fire: biggest mistake, following gut over charisma

(51:47) Founder inspiration: Rodney Brooks

(52:20) Uncomfortable feedback at Honda co-op job

(53:17) Investment criteria: engineering risk, go-to-market, team understanding