Steely Dan, Walter and Donald: A Harbinger of the Whole in Cell and Rotate Scene

Do you think we were talking about Steely Dan, Walter and Donald as being sort of models of, of, or communicating feelings and perspectives that were coming down the line? Is there also, and I don't mean this in a, in a cruel way, but are they also kind of a harbinger of the whole in cell and rotate kind of scene? Because there is a, as you point out, there is some confusion and hostility around women in a lot of their songs. They come across as nerdy 14 year olds who don't understand how to relate to women," she says. "They do seem like a, like the song Josie, which you did a very short