If you in order to get five million back on carry, how much return would she have to have on her ans? What percentage carry? But if you assume, let's yous say, twenty 5 per cent. So then you would need fifty million in the total carry pool. That's not unreasonable. Two hundred, let's say fifty million is the value of the company. Five million is the amount that's been invested to break even. And revenue, these would always be diminimous. The first madrona fund that i was part of has now hard dollar cash returned over one point three billion to l p's wit with two pretty good portfolio companies still sitting unreal.