Most bullshitting is done for people seeking status, seeking to convince somebody of something. The key is that the goal is orthogonal to accuracy, that they're going to say whatever they need to say to get what they want regardless of whether it's true or not. There are very strong moral norms against lying; if you are known as a liar, your reputation is really quite destroyed. But if you areknown as a bullshitter, it doesn't really destroy your reputation in the same way. And I'm not 100% sure why the difference is there, but those are some speculations.
David Pinsof is an evolutionary social scientist and a co-creator of the game Cards Against Humanity. He holds a PhD in Psychology from UCLA, where he studied the
evolutionary origins of political bullshit, and has written a handful of academic papers,
one of which has been cited 152 times and another of which was
quoted in the New York Times. David is the author of the ‘Everything Is Bullshit’ Substack, which aims to poke holes in the stories we tell ourselves. He joins the show to discuss why happiness & morality are bullshit, the difference between bullshit & lying, why we conceal the status monkey, and more! Important Links:
- David’s Twitter
- David’s Substack; Everything is Bullshit
- Cards Against Humanity
- The Execution Hypothesis; by Richard Wrangham
- Discordianism
- Our podcast with George Mack
- Our podcast with Will Storr
Show Notes:
- What is bullshit?
- The difference between bullshitting and lying
- Why moralizing is bullshit
- Concealing the status monkey
- The origins of Cards Against Humanity
- How are status games changing?
- Why happiness is bullshit
- Happiness as a status symbol
- How can we escape bullshit?
- Why we’re driven by negative emotions
- How to become more positive
- The role of humor in calling out bullshit
- MUCH more!
Books Mentioned:
- On Bullshit; by Harry G. Frankfurt
- Propaganda; by Edward Bernays
- Influence: Science and Practice; by Robert Cialdini
- The Moral Animal: Why We Are The Way We Are; by Robert Wright
- The Status Game: On Social Position and How We Use It; by Will Storr
- The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of History; by Howard Bloom
- Why Buddhism is True: The Science and Philosophy of Meditation and Enlightenment
- Happy; by Derren Brown
- Tao Te Ching; by Lao Tzu
- Gödel, Escher, Bach; by Douglas Hofstadter