Derek: I'm very aware that a lot of people in the security space wants to collect so-called certifications. But like you mentioned, it's always about the practicality. It's not just the knowledge only. Like how do you actually deal with security vulnerabilities or even prevent it from the development lifecycle? So directly, people enjoy this conversation. They would want to learn from you. Is there a place where they can find you online? He says he tries to stay pretty active on LinkedIn.

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