I think that it's possible to be optimistic while also really rigorously analyzing all the barriers to that optimism you know. I hope that two years from now three years from now we're having a very different conversation about this which is about how best to be implementing the plan everybody agrees that we need to implement. There'll still be plenty of fights be people that want to go slower want to go faster or but right now we don't even have a plan there's no plan anywhere for this and so we've got to get out of that that dynamic because otherwise the longer we wait the higher the cost is going to be that we have to pay yeah well I'm sure this is going to inst
The Sunday Times’ tech correspondent brings on Trevor Neilson, founder of startup Wastefuel and the Climate Emergency Fund, to talk about how he helped launch and finance Extinction Rebellion (XR) (4:50), how the Malibu wildfires inspired him to act (8:20), meeting Roger Hallam, founder of XR and Just Stop Oil (16:00), bankrolling protestors (18:00), why he thinks the movement has gone off the rails (22:50), whether he is worried about what his former colleagues will think (32:00), how XR has experimented with changing tactics (40:30), where and how he grew up (43:30), getting a job at the White House (46:30), working with Bono on AIDS (50:00), starting his own company (55:00), why he does not think we will meet the 1.5 degree goal (58:10), telling the truth (1:09:00), and the children suing Montana (1:11:50)
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