For 13 years, i was the director of student activities at a small private school in cincinnati. It was basically becoming a professional meeting planner, but on a college campus. I believe that everyone you'll probably ever interview for one of your podcasts will tell you the break they got. A while ago, people asked me that that's, it was a long time ago. We're talking, ey, a good 15, 17 years ago. So what was the like of the very beginning like? Have you ever had a real job where yo be clocked in nine to five? Absolutely several.

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