Innovation is crucial, but what I see is really the effect of the scale up. If we have 10 megawatt, 100 megawatt green hydrogen projects, it's not enough when you see the total production which has to be achieved over 10, 20 years,. So we have to go to the gigawatt scale. And this is where we need a lot of progress, step by step, innovation and efficiency gain in order to reach that one gigawatt score. Let me honest, there is a slow start. We are not on the trajectory. By 2030, we are unlikely to get there. But with this type of innovation, which are crucial, we might actually

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