Chidi: Nothing appears to have been historically normal about middle-class nuclear family norms. What does it mean to understand neoliberalism as disorganizing the fordest family and thus signaling the if not the end then a sort of crisis for a certain idea of normal? Chitty: There isn't a hegemonic sexuality against which to generate any kind of political heat at the same time i think you know he wrote these chapters before 2015, now in retrospect the 2010s were somewhat anomalous in terms of what types of mobilization was possible around politics of sexuality.