Do the Referents Help Us Interpret the Conceptual Meaning of This Statute?

"Do the referents help us understand the conceptual meaning? Yes, they do. ... But does that necessarily tell us we're tied to that?" "I think that's a question for legal theory, interpretive theory," he says. 'Did you know you wanted to be a judge when you were a 1L and showed up in the south side of Chicago?' I remember distinctly remembering a day sitting in Judge Wilkinson's in the chambers in Charlottesville, Virginia,' Gifford adds.