i have no problem with people doing a ivory tower on the normative, i think there are many distinctions that it's important for us to be able to make. But understanding our ends needs to be grounded in our experience, our history, ar our form of life and what we have been raised to value. Im, it's more a question of, so think of it this way, this might work, might not. When we're reasoning about things, we reason about means to ends and we reason about ends. In things like that, it is very,. it is very textured. It is very concrete, i think. Now, yes, wello h rumlege o, yes,

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