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11/15/23: Vivek Ramaswamy back for round 2, Republican Senator tries to fight Senator

The David Pakman Show

CHAPTER

Trump's Delusion of Power and Comparison to Obama

The chapter discusses Trump's belief that he would not leave power under any circumstances, his delusion of being reinstated, and his attempts to hold onto power even after leaving the White House. It compares the reaction to Trump's actions to the hypothetical scenario of Obama or Biden attempting the same, and highlights the damning evidence that could be used in the forthcoming criminal trial against Trump in Georgia.

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And at the time period where
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they were going to start to discuss what was Dan Scutino's role at the time, I believe his title was social media director for the White House. It became deputy chief of staff at the time that the conversation and question took place. Okay. Why was that? The conversation was earned December 19th of 2020 at the White House Christmas party. And I emphasized him. I thought that the claims and the ability to challenge the election results was essentially over because he said to me, and I kind of excited to him, well, we don't care and we're not going to leave. And I said, what do you mean? And he said, well, the boss, meaning President Trump and everyone understood the boss. That's what we all called him. He said, the boss is not going to leave under any circumstances. We are just going to stay in power. And I said, well, it doesn't quite work that way. You realize and he said, we don't care.
Speaker 1
So,
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you know, there's
Speaker 1
two sides to this, right? On the one hand, the idea that you would lose, just not leave the White House and say, I'm the president and be able to do that. It's so ridiculous that it is the reasonable reaction of many to say that couldn't possibly be true. Nobody, who could possibly have believed that at the time? On the other hand, it's Trump. And on the other hand, he believes all sorts of things that don't make any sense. So, it's useful to get damning testimonies like these to have. And as we build up an understanding of what was happening at this time, you had Trump who had convinced himself, I'm simply not going to leave. If I leave, I'll be somehow reinstated. We learned about that earlier this week from the recordings of conversations with ABC News reporter Jonathan Carl, where Jonathan Carl said, what did you mean when you said, I'll be back 2024 or sooner? And Trump said, I'm not even going to explain it to you because you wouldn't understand it. Trump genuinely thought there would be some mechanism to be reinstated. And as he's sort of trying to stay, but also, I guess, recognizing he's going to have to leave taking any documents that he can in boxes with classified information that he stacked around his toilet like a fort of some kind, maybe to pretend he's still president, holding meetings at Mar-a-Lago and holding and shuffling papers in the entire thing. Now, I want to go to, there's so many directions we could take this discussion and the video is damning. This is going to be evidence in the forthcoming criminal trial against Donald Trump that Georgia trial is going to be insane. Let's focus in on one aspect of this that we haven't talked about much that I think is relevant. A bunch of right wingers seem to be of the mindset that if you didn't succeed at a crime you attempted, that it's sort of like, oh, you know, all bets arrived. It's fine. No big deal that if you failed to do a thing that is illegal or unconstitutional, but you tried to do it as long as you failed, that that's it.
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He left ultimately the fact that he
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thought he would stay and tried to stay and had fake slates of electors and attempted to disenfranchise voters and seize voting machines, it doesn't matter because ultimately he left. And obviously this is sort of like, you know, I tried to kill someone, but I failed. So it's fine. You know, we just say it was a boo-boo and we walk away. That's not the way that the justice system works. Just because you failed at a crime you tried to do doesn't mean you're not guilty. And by the way, imagine for a second, if it was revealed that at the end of the Obama presidency or that right now Joe Biden and thinking about his 2024 campaign, if Obama or Biden ever said, Hey, you
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know what, even if I lose supposedly,
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it's for the good of the country that I remain in the Oval Office. So I plan to do that. Imagine if Obama or Biden had ever even alluded to that, never mind orchestrated a multi-year plan to make that effective. You would have the right wingers with guns all over the streets and the reaction to Trump doing it just doesn't even pass the sniff test. So stunning video here from Jenna Ellis and this is this is the sort of evidence that there's going to be in that Georgia criminal trial, which we will be watching very, very closely. Fox News host Brian Kilmeade has come up with a cute way of defending Donald Trump's gaffes and these, which I'll ask Vivek Rama Swami about, what he thinks is Trump is Trump cognitively glitching. These are happening really regularly. And Brian Kilmeade says always doing it on purpose. Let me give you an example of what I mean. Here is Donald Trump gushing about Hungarian authoritarian Victor Orban, again got confused over the weekend and said that Obama is president of the United States. This is the, what
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Brian Kilmeade is going to weigh in on in a moment. So much more, but the head of Hungary, a very tough, strong guy, Victor Orban. Did anybody ever hear him? Probably, you know, considered very powerful, very powerful within his country and outside of his country, not exactly loved by some of the European nations because he does this thing. He didn't allow millions of people to invade his country. He allowed nobody to invade the zero. He zeroed. He had nobody. So he doesn't have crime and he doesn't have the problems that they're having in other countries where millions of people were allowed to go in. But they were interviewing him two weeks ago and they said, what would you advise President Obama? The whole world seems to be exploding and imploding. Right. And he said, it's very simple. He should immediately resign. And
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so there it is. President Obama, President Obama, President Obama, here is Brian Kilmeade, essentially arguing Trump's not in cognitive decline. He's crazy. He actually believes Obama's the president, which is a really interesting way to defend this guy. Take a listen.

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