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The Importance of Debate in Public on Podcasts
Jay Parini: I don't think we're in that era. You know, Jay is one of the few people who has managed the incredible feat of maintaining his intellectual independence and keeping his job in the academy. The fact that the academy has been throwing out people who were independent minded means that you have institutions which at best are so riddled with conformity that they cannot be trusted to engage in these debates themselves. But when I bring guys like you guys on, I can hear what you say, but I can't fact check you in real time, which is why debate is important. So yeah, I just don't understand it.