Every leader is talking about implementing diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI), but making it work in the real world is a whole different challenge. In today’s episode, we look at the evolution and controversies surrounding DEI with Dr. Frank Dobbin, Sociology Department Chair at Harvard University and Author of “Getting to Diversity.” We explore starting with JFK’s 1961 order for affirmative action and moving through the impact of the George Floyd protests. We also discuss why corporate DEI programs get both support and backlash, touching on Elon Musk’s call to end DEI and the Supreme Court’s decision on affirmative action. Dr. Dobbin explains how DEI efforts democratize access to scarce resources like mentoring, and why it’s tough to balance the need for diverse teams with the goal of top performance. He critiques current DEI practices, highlighting why many traditional training programs fail and the importance of structural changes and inclusive recruitment.

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