How to Get Healthy Meditation

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"i was depressed. I was waiting for one piece of good news, and i feel myself making it worse," she said. "I put my phone down at least three times on the table, kept picking it up without even noticing." She's trying to do something cool with her time instead of looking at her phone all the time.

In today’s episode, we try something different: a special two-part conversation in which Cal coaches his longtime friend, comedian and podcast pioneer Jamie Kilstein, through a digital declutter. The first part of the conversation ends with Cal’s prescription for Jamie, while the second part picks up six weeks later to check in on how things actually went.

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Thanks to Jesse Miller for production, Jay Kerstens for the intro music, and Mark Miles for mastering.