The Relationship Between Perceiving and Thinking

I'm exactly the same. That's that's what came to my mind. And I was curious to see if we were thinking the same things. When I perceiving is an epistemic relationship between animal and environment. Yes. And so it's thinking. I mean, like it's perceiving. So perceiving is knowing it results in knowledge but thinking is just more now in relationship with what with with that knowledge with and and thinking. It's this thing that happens in this empty arena. You sort of conjure if you it's almost like using like using a Ouija board.