The Importance of Imagining New Worlds

I've been shot by sort of this ground up swell and how kind of militant and I don't know excited and passionate people have been about this cause. And it turns out that there was no persuading really that needed to be done because we were, you know, describing for them the situations that they're living. The other difference between the people that are living the other way and now is that writers are just they're living like much closer to their subsistence levels.