This week's podcast is produced by the center for humane technology. Nhe col Perlroth spent a decade as the lead siber security reporter at the new york times, investigating siber attacks. She tells me how they tell her the world eneds a detailed investigation of the global siber arms race to day. Tristan O'Mara says we have stumbled into a new era of mutually assured digital destruction. And that problem of desentralized james bond weapons for everyone,. where we get to retain some version of our liberties, is the central problem of our imes.

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