The Conservative Party Is in a Terrible Mess

It does feel to me like an era is ending somehow, right? Which is partly the reason why the conservative party is in such a mess. Johnson versus Corbin is tremendously spectacular and very vivid ideologically. In the middle of this sense of sort of systemic breakdown, we're going to have Kistama versus Rishi soon. I mean, I definitely see the force of that because you want the solutions to be up to the scale of the challenge.