Single Women as a Political Force

In this episode, we delve into the increasing political alignment of single women with the Democratic Party and contrast it with the trends observed among married women. The discussion highlights how single women are becoming a significant voter demographic for Democrats, and explores various social aspects, including government services dependency and the evolving perception of women's roles in society. The hosts also analyze historical voting patterns, particularly in relation to Kamala Harris' rising popularity amongst single women, and ponder the societal implications of this demographic shift.

Malcolm Collins: . [00:00:00] Over 70 percent of single women identify as Democrat compared to only 45 percent of married women. The number of single women in the U S has increased 55 percent since 2000.

Simone Collins: Whoa, whoa, hold on. Okay. Reaching

Malcolm Collins: 2023.

Simone Collins: That is, that is huge.

Malcolm Collins: women in society historically they would rely on a partner to help care for them and to help care for their kids. Oh, and now it's the state. Yeah. And when you disintermediate the family unit, you can use the state both to decrease the BATNA of a woman to not have a partner.

Well, also acting as the caregiver, like these women are sort of like nuns to the state. They're basically married to the state.

Simone Collins: Wow. Yeah, that's a great way of putting it. Nuns to the state. That is.

Malcolm Collins: And I, and I also know that this trend could explain, for example, why black females overwhelmingly vote Democrats so much, because when you look at the number of single women, 47 percent of black adults are single compared to [00:01:00] 28 percent of not white adults and 27 percent of Hispanic adults

Simone Collins: I wish we could see information on the extent to which single women are getting government services

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-1: The number was larger than I thought 90% of welfare recipients are single women.

Would you like to know more?

Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. I am excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be talking about why single cat ladies are overwhelmingly voted for Kamala Harris.

Simone Collins: But they're not all cat ladies, are they?

She'll become a crazy cat lady. She only has one cat. Give her time.

Malcolm Collins: I think it is easy to underestimate one, how heavily Kamala is leading with single women. And two, how much Democrats have worked to increase the number of single women and how much that number has increased.

Over the last few election cycles to give them better margins towards victory.

Simone Collins: Wait, just with single women. So even now more single [00:02:00] women than before are voting for Democrats.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, no, no. They have created new single women. People are worried about them shipping in voters. They are creating a demographic of voters by making a portion of women intolerable to date, which It's very smart.

So we'll go over this whole thing. Single women are actually the only major demographic where Kamala and Democrats are still actually winning, which is what's really interesting. If you look at yeah, it's wild now.

Simone Collins: So this whole turning immigrants into. Leftist voters conspiracy theory has nothing on the single.

No, no, no. I mean, if you, if you

Malcolm Collins: look at married men, if you look at unmarried men, if you look at single women, if you look at married women, the only category where Kamala wins is single women.

Simone Collins: Wow.

Malcolm Collins: So let's go into this. Now obviously a lot of this was started with JD Vance's cat lady comment, which is why I joked on that to begin with [00:03:00] specifically.

He said a bunch of childless cat ladies, who are miserable at their own lives, want to make the rest of the country miserable too. And a lot of people took that really negatively, because a lot of women framed that as personal attacks against themselves.

Speaker 6: ThEy call her the Cat Lady. People say she's crazy just because she has a few dozen cats. But can anyone who loves animals that much really be crazy?

Speaker 7: Don't let me hurt you!

Malcolm Collins: Whereas, I understand his sentiment here, obviously what he means by this is, If you don't have a personal stake in the future of the country, you are going to make decisions which don't consider the future of the country, which is something we've repeatedly seen about the exploding amount of debt, the way people are handling things like social security in obviously unsustainable manners, nothing about the way the government is run right now.

And I'd say both parties are to blame for this to an [00:04:00] extent. Has the long term future of the country in mind anymore?

Simone Collins: Yes, the government is excessively short termist.

Malcolm Collins: But I thought it was also interesting how, like, Democrat mainstays reacted to J. D. Vance's comment. Specifically Taylor Swift attempted to flip the language on the head, signing off her endorsement of Kamala Harris with quote unquote childless cat lady.

Besides a photo of Swift and her cat, here, cat's name is Benjamin Button. Megan Cain, said in a social media post that the comment displayed an, quote, insensitivity and cruelty to women, end quote. Would you say that that comment was in any way cruel to women, or?

I mean, the cruelty is to women, and we'll do a whole other episode on this, who use cats to masturbate their parenting instinct. When I say masturbate, I mean that in a very literal sense, in the same way that sex is designed to attempt to get us to procreate and rear the next generation Women also have these instincts [00:05:00] that are designed to want babies so that they want the next generation, and they masturbate these instincts through, instead of childbirth, caring for small pets, which satiates them enough that they do not, I mean, satiates them temporarily.

We all know that's why they keep getting more, because that, that's the way this works is you, you think that you have satiated this instinct, but you haven't. So you get more and more and more until you've got 20 cats and you're sad and alone and fall asleep to the sound of your own scream.

Speaker: I want to be a lawyer and a doctor, because a woman can do anything. At 24, Eleanor had graduated from Harvard Medical and Yale Law.

Speaker 4: I'm a little burnt out. So, sometimes, don't shoot me, I have a glass of wine with Buster here.

He's a real comfort. I might even get a second cap.

Malcolm Collins: Any thoughts before I go further, Simone?

Simone Collins: It is insulting to insinuate that all childless cat [00:06:00] women are miserable with their lives because not all are. I don't think Taylor Swift is miserable.

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx): I'm guessing it, Simone made this assumption that thinking that if she was as wealthy and famous and respected as Taylor swift. Did she would not be unhappy, but if you actually look at Taylor swift songs, first, many of them are pining after having a guy who loves and cares for her. , which she doesn't, and that's part of what her sadness comes from.

But also you can look at her songs. It's specifically talk about it like this song, antihero, which has some lines. When my depression works, the graveyard shift, talking about well being depressed. , and she in the song labyrinth talks about how her breakups triggered depressive episodes. And if you look at public statements in interviews like miss Americana, the 20, 20 Netflix documentary. She alludes to fame, making her fundamentally unhappy, which it doesn't need to.

I mean, Simone and I have gathered a great deal of fame just today. Another article in the guardian came out about us. And I guess it's presumably [00:07:00] attacking us, but they also published a.

Slide deck we did on how to make new forms of government, which got me really excited. And I guess you can choose how you react to the things around you and single cat ladies choose to react to that.

And self-indulgent ways like Taylor swift does.

Simone Collins: For example, I don't think some of our friends who Our childless and cat owners are miserable, but in general, if I were childless and I owned cats, I wouldn't be by this.

It's a joke.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well, I mean, I think it also shows sort of a victim culture on the left of like, you know, he made fun of childless cat ladies. Therefore, although, you know, They call

Simone Collins: parents breeders. I mean, just

Malcolm Collins: If you have a huge amount of cognit Yeah, I've never taken offense to that, but like, it's like, It's an attempt to dehumanize your opponents, and I get that, But like, Childless Cat Ladies is a bit different, It's not like really dehumanization, It's characterization along a stereotype, Oh, it's not dehumanization because

Simone Collins: he talks about how they're miserable with their lives, Which I think [00:08:00] many of them would argue.

Is important because mental health is a major interest also of many single cat ladies. So I think many of them would tell their therapists that they're miserable with their lives It's not an inaccurate characterization even

Malcolm Collins: yeah. All right. So let's go over the stats Single women now make up 25 percent of the electorate.

In recent polls, Harris was leading among single women by nearly 40 points. Over 70 percent of single women identify as Democrat or lean Democrat, compared to only 45 percent of married women.

Simone Collins: To what extent do you think this is because they just identify with her? A fellow tech, biologically childless career woman.

This

Malcolm Collins: was the lawyer Jackson true when Biden was running. So it's not, it's gotten more extreme recently, but no, it's the Democrats have always disproportionately appealed to the single vote.

, I really want to highlight this. Cause I think it's a, it's a critical thing to note. 45%, [00:09:00] only 45%. of married women support Democrats. 70 percent of single women do.

Simone Collins: That's, yeah, that's, and you can say, well,

Malcolm Collins: maybe it's the Democrats don't get married, but actually you typically see a change in women after they get married.

And this brings me to something that you brought up earlier that I thought was really powerful is that a lot of older people are like, Oh, well, my daughter is young. And so she's still a Democrat, but when she gets older, she'll become a Republican. And you were pointing out, no, she won't like that used to be the case.

But your daughter isn't married. And it's like, when did you become a Republican, you know, to the women who say this? And it's like, well, after I got married and it's like, yeah, well, your daughter isn't getting married and has no ability to get married right now, given the way that she views the world and the way she views the opposite gender,

Simone Collins: even just given the way that relationship markets look work, there are so many single women we know who want to be married and just can't be married because they're high achieving women.

And it's very, very difficult for them to find. [00:10:00] Uncoupled, non completely weird and ruined in some way, single men who are higher achieving than them.

Malcolm Collins: Hypothesis question, Simone. Why do you believe that when women get married, they become more Republican? I mean, you did.

Simone Collins: To a great extent, you, you allowed me to To understand that I was permitted to have non hyper progressive beliefs.

And I did basically grow up in a cultural cult where I just thought that there were certain things you weren't allowed to think or believe.

Malcolm Collins: So basically you're saying it's communalism.

Simone Collins: It could be that. And I think there's also some element of when you become very close with your partner, you start to identify with them and see the world through them.

And I think that seeing, especially in this modern environment, seeing the world through a man's eyes. Can cause you to become pretty blackmailed to progressivism in general.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah Well, I think that the the the movement [00:11:00] and I I think this is probably the bigger thing Is that typically when people are married they begin to see themselves as the combined identity?

And also many of these women once they're married have sons And I think when you see how genuinely cruel and sadistic the existing urban monoculture and progressive party is to men And how much it dehumanizes men As we pointed out in our bears video, right? Where if you said this about any other group, when women were like, Oh my God, like, I'd rather be in the woods with a bear than a man. And I, and I then put into it like a black man. I'd rather be in the woods with a bear than a random black man. And you're like, Oh my God, that is super racist. Like, how could you you know,

black

Man is scary. Um, with a bear. What I've heard about bears, they don't always attack you, right? So maybe a bear.

Probably a bear. 100 percent a bear, which is like, terrifying to say, but Definitely a bear. Some

Malcolm Collins: black

men are very scary out there. I bet. Even some men are saying bear, although we could predict that [00:12:00] this man's opinion will be whatever makes women approve of him. If I were alone in the woods, would you rather me encounter a bear or a

Malcolm Collins: black

man?

I feel more like bear. I don't know, cause I feel like I would know what the outcome would be with a bear.

Malcolm Collins: but the, the things that you're saying, you're like, Oh my God, this is an incredible level of prejudice, that if it was under any other guys, you would see it, and I think that women, until they identify seriously as a man, to some extent They don't see how anti male and how bigoted the mainstream progressive forces are.

And I think that once they have a son or something like that, they wake up and they're like, Oh my God, like all his real opportunities in life are taken away. He's going to have trouble, you know, getting a job. He's going to have trouble.

Simone Collins: And it's just a lot easier to dehumanize men in general, when you don't relate to them much at all in life.

Malcolm Collins: No, I think you're absolutely right about this. And I think it's, it's also that when people get married, they form a combined identity to an extent. And they stop, for example, for me, I don't identify as my own [00:13:00] gender that much anymore. And I think that this is actually really similar to, you know, if you go back to, let's say the 60s or 70s where sometimes men would get married and then they'd be like, now I see how harshly our society has been treating women.

And they'd become more interested in women's issues. I think we're seeing the opposite now because I think anyone who is actually neutral on this sees that overwhelmingly our society is anti male at this point.

Simone Collins: Yes.

Malcolm Collins: So I'm going to go further with stats here. The number of single women in the U S has increased 55 percent since 2000.

Simone Collins: Whoa, whoa, hold on. Okay. Reaching

Malcolm Collins: 2023.

Simone Collins: That is, that is huge. But I guess that's just another angle of all the dismal dating and sex stats we've seen.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, 55 percent growth that they've, that they've, you know, grown by more than half since 2000. I don't think, I think something that we, we can forget is that in the same way the [00:14:00] left might be motivated for immigrants to come into specific districts to vote there would be even more motivated.

So to be clear among single women, they get a larger share of the vote than they do among recent immigrants, like first generation immigrants. They. Do better off to break women up and I will note single men also vote more democratically, which we'll get to in a second.

Simone Collins: You know what? This makes a lot of sense to me too, because in general, when it comes to government handouts, which typically come to be more supported or more widespread under democratic leadership.

Women are the biggest beneficiaries by far, single women, especially they're the ones who get the most in terms of food stamps and payouts and services and health care. When you look at what social services are provided on a state or federal level. So that also kind of makes sense because in terms of like, even more than immigrants, it's single women who get the most.

Malcolm Collins: Well, one theory [00:15:00] that I have heard bantered about is that women in society historically they would rely on a partner to help care for them and to help care for their kids. Oh, and now it's the state. Yeah. And when you disintermediate the family unit, you can use the state both to make it lower costs, like decrease the BATNA of a woman to not have a partner.

Well, also acting as the caregiver, like these women are sort of like nuns to the state. They're basically married to the state.

Simone Collins: Wow. Yeah, that's a great way of putting it. Nuns to the state. That is.

Malcolm Collins: And I, and I also know that this trend could explain, for example, why black females overwhelmingly vote Democrats so much, because when you look at the number of single women, 47 percent of black adults are single compared to 28 percent of not white adults and 27 percent of Hispanic adults.

And here, I wouldn't know if you're talking about like, oh, you know, born out of wedlock and everything like that. Hispanics have a higher marriage rate than whites. If you're like, yeah. Yeah. Well, it's more

Simone Collins: conservative. [00:16:00] Culture, especially when it comes to things like marriage and having kids. I would

Malcolm Collins: just say more because they have stronger family units right now.

Sure. Yeah, that too. So, Wow.

Simone Collins: Another

Malcolm Collins: fun thing you can see, I think part of this is, progressivism has made women undateable and unmarriable, like the modern iteration of it.

You know, if you watch that video about, like, the woman who is in the Star Wars show, twerking about how oppressed she is, like, who, like, Who would want to marry that? As we've talked about in our video about black men and how hard it is for them to find partners, this is a zombification of black culture video where they used to be an even more conservative culture than white culture in terms of like family values, where they had half the number of Children born out of wedlock as white culture.

And this was as recently as the sixties. And now obviously it's astronomically more, but if we talk about like, where is this degradation coming from? And we'll get some, like, actually in this episode, some better understanding of how they corrupted black culture, which I think is really interesting.

But the number [00:17:00] of women in gender studies degrees has increased 300 percent since the 1990s. Oh, who needs that? Where is the

Simone Collins: demand for this? Where is the gender studies industry? Do they go to the gender studies factory to produce gender studies?

Malcolm Collins: Well, here's the thing, I, I, I imagine, no, they go work for these bureaucracies, which hire them to, like, be the thought police at companies, and that's literally what they're getting a degree in, is thought policing.

Oh,

Simone Collins: boy.

Malcolm Collins: And a lot of companies, as we pointed out, the way companies end up going woke, is they Are like, okay, we need to put a few token, whatever's in our company. Let's put them somewhere where they don't need to actually do anything. So they can't damage stuff. And then they put them in HR. And then they end up filtering for everyone else and they end up corrupting the entire company super quickly.

And this has been a repeated phenomenon in companies that if you're going to clean up a company, you have to start with HR HR could be completely unwoked. Anyone, anyone who is there other than on merit needs to be removed. And this is measurable merit [00:18:00] in terms of who they're hiring the output.

Those people are showing etc now in an analysis last year from pew research center Found that one quarter of all 40 year olds in 2021 had never been married

all right single women. So let's talk about single women at the demographic single women are Older, more educated and more financially independent than they were a generation earlier, and they are more motivated to vote. In 2000, 48 percent of single women reported voting. In 2020, that jumped to 61%.

According to the data from Catalyst, single women now make up one quarter of the electorate. Single men, on the other hand, make up only 19%. So single men voted dramatically lower rates than single women. So not only are there more single women, but they're voting at a higher rate. 48 percent in 2000 to 61 percent in 2020.

Simone Collins: Wow.

Malcolm Collins: And here I'm gonna put on the screen a graph here that shows this over time. So you can see the proportion of eligible single woman and single male voters who showed up.

Simone Collins: Oh, so [00:19:00] civic engagement for single women is going up. Yes. I wish we could see information on, I don't know how to, how I would measure this, the extent to which single women in the U.

S. are also getting government services, like, or benefiting.

Malcolm Collins: I'll look it up in post.

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-1: The number was larger than I thought 90% of welfare recipients are single women.

Malcolm Collins: That's an interesting thing. And I'd also point out here that I think that this partially, when you think about these women as fundamentally being married to the state this one explains the increase in civil engagement, but it also explains the freak out when somebody like Trump is elected.

Simone Collins: Mm. Mm. Yes. Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: to them. Now this thing that was like their source of like care and like their essentially partner has been

Simone Collins: hostile.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. It was something that they see as fundamentally hostile to them.

Simone Collins: That's fascinating.

Malcolm Collins: Now here's a really interesting poll that I'll go over, but also put on the screen here.

When Harris took over the ticket, her support among [00:20:00] single women swelled in June before she became the democratic nominee, less than half of single women in a YouGov poll reported a favorable impact. By September, this jumped to nearly two thirds, and her support is growing. A recent Ipsos survey found Harris leading among single women voters by nearly 40 points.

So she went from less than half supporting her to 70 percent supporting her.

Simone Collins: Gotta thank Charlie SDX for at least 30 percent of that shift, I would say. Who is Charlie? She was made cool.

Malcolm Collins: The Brat Summer one? Yeah, maybe. I mean, single women are very vibes based voters. You know, they are not exactly. Here's another interesting stat that was shown here among married women only.

So remember less than half, 45 percent of single women supported Camilla when she, before she was on the ticket, 35 percent of married women had a favorable impression of her. So very low. And then [00:21:00] at the peak of married women having a favorable opinion of her, that was August and it was still well below 40%.

Simone Collins: Wow. Okay. That's very interesting. So suddenly single women started really identifying with Kamala and yet married women.

Malcolm Collins: And when it was married women, it's now since August into September, it's gone down again. So she only has you know, hovering around maybe like 36, 37 percent compared to what was around 34 percent before she was running.

So this whole Camilla remediation campaign to like remediate her public image. It seems to have been incredibly effective among single women, basically fizzled among married women. Their impression of her now is not that different than their impression of her before she ran. I find it really fascinating.

Simone Collins: Yes. Wow. There's definitely something there. I need to think more about what that could be because the funny thing is Camilla is married. Kamala has [00:22:00] stepchildren. It's not like she should be some single woman icon, but definitely the Bratz Summer Association is more of a, an unhinged, messy, single woman mood.

And single women certainly appreciate more the sorts of Government handouts and services that I think.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I also think that they're more likely to vote with the crowd because they feel less protected than married women. I think the communalist instinct in women might be louder when they feel that they don't have a caregiver.

Because in those instances are more.

Simone Collins: There aren't. There is not another very, very strong attenuating influence in their lives that might temper their thoughts on things. So when they see something in the news or media or someone they admire, say something, there isn't some partner or friend next to them being like, I don't know, like poking holes in the arguments, [00:23:00] essentially.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. All right. Well, here is another poll. Single women overwhelmingly support Kamala Harris. And this is showing Trump Harris refused. So when you have married women, it's 46 to 46 in this particular poll. So exactly equal married men. It's 55 percent Trump to 42 percent Kamala. Never married women.

It is 65 percent Harris, 28 percent Trump. And in this particular poll, never married men actually support Harris more than Trump, 51 percent to 41%, but I've seen the opposite in other polls. So this is fascinating. So Democrats hugely benefit from breaking up marriages hugely

now. We're going to talk about some other interesting things here. So, in a Gallup 2020 survey, 21 percent of single women said they could not support a candidate who did not share their views on abortion. This year, that jumped to 35%. The [00:24:00] General Social Survey has found that Americans across the board have become increasingly supportive of access to abortion in any circumstance.

But, the shift among single women has been especially dramatic. In its 2022 survey, two thirds of single women said that abortion should be available for any reason, a view held by less than half of single women a decade earlier. So our country is becoming more pro abortion. And I think that this is one of those things where you, you have not seen this same insane rise in Europe.

And I think that a lot of this is downstream as we've talked about in other episodes. Of the view that life begins at conception, which, by the way, is not a biblical view. The Bible very clearly says life begins before conception is something that the Catholic church made up about 200 years ago with Pope Pius IX and then was chosen by the Republican Party.

The Republican Party used to be actually the pro choice party in the 70s, the Republican National Convention. They were more pro choice and anti choice, but they choose to accept it to try to bring Catholics over and it didn't even work. Catholics still vote overwhelmingly Democrats. So I don't [00:25:00] know why we keep it as a position.

It's it's. It's not a Protestant position. It's not a Christian position. It's not a, it's a one that the, the Pope who did the great castration came up with, you know, I

Simone Collins: get the impression that many American Protestants are anti abortion now, mostly because the Republican party went anti abortion. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I, I, I see that.

Like they, they are unaware, like they think it's a Christian thing or like an ancient Catholic thing. And it's like, like, as we point out, St. Augustus didn't think this Thomas Aquinas didn't think this, like no great Catholic thinker in history have thought this.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I definitely get that because we've met quite a few Protestants who are very suspicious of abortion even hormonal birth control.

And

Malcolm Collins: before a nervous system has developed, which to me is just, but it's ended up destroying, I think the, the Republican's ability to earn ground share on this and things are moving further and further in the opposite direction, which is leading to more and more abortions, which is like, you're functionally like, do you want to?

Like, when do you want to lower the amount of abortions, or are you [00:26:00] okay with, so that you can masturbate to this aesthetic view towards abortion, continue losing? Yeah,

Simone Collins: this purist view of life begins exactly at conception, instead of a more moderated view of, hey, you know, it looks like, you know, you're looking at killing a human regardless, but we see it as killing a human when you decide not to have kids, so, you know, where you start is arbitrary.

I think What when it really matters that you're killing a human is when you start killing humans, that is, that will feel pain as you kill them, and then you need to look at it very differently. And that's it. If we started looking at it at 12 to 15 weeks is, hey, let's put severe controls on this. So many abortions.

could be managed very differently. And we could probably have far fewer abortions as you point out.

Malcolm Collins: Well, and you've pointed this out with people calling you, like Republicans will call you and be like, I want you to have a you know, life being at the conception stance. And you're like, well, my stance would dramatically one is more likely to pass.

Two, it would lower the number of abortions when contrasted with [00:27:00] my the person I'm running against. So they're like, no, if you won't take this stance, I'm voting for your opponent.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Meaning that they're voting for. Yeah. It's just, I think that demonstrates how illogical and And virtue signaling for

Malcolm Collins: them, they don't actually care about the children or they would do apparently

Simone Collins: not.

Yeah, because if you did, you would be very focused on anything that gets you marginally closer just to your preferences. And even if your preferences are absolutely 0 abortions ever. You would still want to vote for me, even though I only care about controls after week 12.

Malcolm Collins: Now I also know and this is important to note around all this when people are like, well, you know trump and his abortion trump has said that if elected he would veto a national abortion ban Veto, not, not, not support.

He would veto one.

So to go further here with stats for most of the, the past two decades, women felt largely content with their treatment in the U S that all [00:28:00] changed after Trump's election and the hashtag me to movement. Less than half of women in 2021, his Gallup survey said they felt satisfied about the way they were treated in American society, historic low single women were the least satisfied.

And I will,

Simone Collins: isn't that so funny that. After supposed corrections to, you know, maltreatment against women, women started feeling worse when before, when supposedly these, this mistreatment was happening unrecognized and unpunished that women were happier.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, this is something you see across the board as women get rights.

They become less happy. I'll put a graph here that shows that in the mid 1970s, women were significantly more happy than men. And that women's happiness went down, went down, went down over time as they got more right through the eighties into the nineties. And then by the early nineties, women net were unhappy with their lives.

I think this is

Simone Collins: largely what Phyllis Schlafly was famous for arguing. Basically saying, [00:29:00] why are you making us work? We don't want to work. We have, we have a good here.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I know these women are, are, well, keep in mind, even in the seventies the majority of women works Simone or when this, this trend started, I don't think that that's what this is in relation to.

I think it's in relation to a vested interest among Democrats for women to be unhappy and feel like they are victims and I think

Simone Collins: same thing they did with black culture.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. And so you actually see here you know, by the 2000s and mid nineties, women were net less happy with their lives than men.

And that's been persistent since then. And it went up again, dramatically, or I guess you should say down again, dramatically with me too, and has stayed down since then. Where women, especially single women just feel very disempowered, even if it is functionally not true.

Simone Collins: Right.

Malcolm Collins: And here I want to talk about more recent statistics.

So one statistic I found really interesting was the anxiety. What was it? U. S. based mental health days for female and male differential [00:30:00] 1993 to 2021. And you can just see it shooting up specifically after 2019. After 2019, women's mental health absolutely explodes.

Simone Collins: Hmm. What do you think happened in 2019?

Malcolm Collins: I think that this is when wokeism really began to take over mainstream culture and many women began to identify with like, this is when the wokes basically won. I mean, and I think that the black lives matter thing was like the victory lap. I

Simone Collins: think there's something more subtle too. I think this is when you saw much more pervasive use of remote therapy services.

Both through programs like better health, but also which is private pay. And through healthcare sorry, health insurance providers. So you don't administer our family's health insurance. You don't see this. But starting in [00:31:00] 2019, our health insurance provider started offering free mental health counseling as part of its benefit.

And it's not just our mental health. It's not just our health insurance provider, which is UnitedHealthcare. Aetna, which I also was on for a period in 2020 did the same or 2021. And I had never seen that before. And it was interesting to see that just as part of your default. Coverage that you'd be getting mental health services.

So I think another issue is that more people than ever we're getting therapy. And as we've discussed in countless other episodes, therapists who managed to stay in business to a great extent are those which seem to help people magnify their problems and not resolve them because of course, those are the ones that keep.

So don't lose their clients. And I think that may have something to do with it as well. I

Malcolm Collins: think we might be onto something here. I think that these could be incredibly toxic because it's

Simone Collins: an industry shift. Like it's about this availability of a product [00:32:00] that is quite toxic,

Malcolm Collins: but talk about the idea of therapists being the missionaries monoculture.

That's true. Yeah. Yeah. They are vectors that spread it. So they

Simone Collins: go hand in hand. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So like, if you're a Catholic and you send, you know, you go to your priest, right? Whereas if you are dealing with something as a far progressive or urban monoculture devotee, you go to your therapist and you go, Oh, you know, I have, I have had this sinful thought.

You know, repeat, whatever. How do I indulge further is basically not how do, how do I repent? How do I indulge even more in this sinful thought without feeling bad about it? That's really what you go to a you know, so many of these, when I see people go to their therapist, they're like, I've done this horrible thing.

Can you help me not feel bad about it?

Simone Collins: Yeah. Or, or can you help me build a narrative about it? That helps me identify with it personally. Like this was something that happened to me when I was a child, I was traumatized. Now I'm going to live my entire life as this hero's journey narrative attempting to overcome this great [00:33:00] slight done to me as a child by my parents.

Malcolm Collins: I disagree. I think that this is put on them by the therapist because what they're really going to do these mental health sessions for is for somebody to tell them it's not their fault.

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Simone Collins: No, but that's what I'm saying is it is put on them by the therapist, but the therapist is helping them weave a narrative that turns their mental problem into their identity.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, that's what I mean, but they don't go to a therapist saying this horrible thing happened to me in childhood. No, no, no, the therapist makes that up. The

Simone Collins: therapist is like, let's now talk about your childhood.

Malcolm Collins: They go to the therapist and say, Here's this horrible thing I did to my friends or here's this horrible thing I did to my kids or here's this horrible thing I did to whoever why is it not my fault?

You know that that's that is the role that therapists have taken on Instead of help me repent. I've done this [00:34:00] horrible thing which is a very compelling it to to convert into because it removes a lot of personal responsibility I'd also note here that you know, we we would be remiss to not point out You that the possibility of electing the first female president is important to 60 percent of single women voters was interesting.

It's not that important to married women voters.

Simone Collins: Yeah, well, that makes sense. Because again, as we discussed earlier, married women aren't necessarily just defining themselves as me woman anymore. It's me family at that point, or at least me and my husband.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Have we had a female vice president yet? I feel.

Oh yeah. Camilla.

Simone Collins: No. Oh yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I guess I just don't think of her as a woman. Like that's one of the weird things about it. She doesn't like really give feminine energy. She gives more like mindless bureaucratic drone energy.

Simone Collins: I feel that way about all of us. Most politicians, so I don't [00:35:00] know, I mean, they're appealing and really came off as feminine.

Who else? What are other female? Yeah, there are plenty of female candidates who come off as feminine. So never mind.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I mean, even Hillary, she came off as, as pitchy and conniving, but she came off as feminine nonetheless.

Simone Collins: She had mom energy having mom energy. She had mom energy.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And I, I'd say a OC comes off as pretty feminine.

Yeah. I'd say most of the other, but Kamala just doesn't have an ounce of femininity in terms of her energy. And I think it's because she, I don't know. But the laugh,

Simone Collins: the, the, the smiling, the evasive answers all feel very feminine to me.

Malcolm Collins: I love you're relying on negative stereotypes of women to build this caricature.

Simone Collins: What? Smiling is not negative. Smiling and laughing is not negative. It's joy.

It was the

one thing that got Kamala a huge surge in polling was this whole, just the, the first [00:36:00] attempt at just vibes and no substance, which was all joy and laughter and happiness. Those are great attributes for her and it certainly helped her.

It's the one thing that has helped her.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well, it reminds me of Camilla's laugh at the, the ad that we've done, remember where you could buy food when you could buy food and it's Camilla laughing. By the way, Simone, I was actually really confused by the Scott Alexander promotion of Camilla because it looked genuine when, when I read it.

And yet, he cited, like, David Duke supporting her, and, like, Curtis Yarvin, when Curtis Yarvin was clearly doing it as a joke, and David Duke was obviously doing it so other people wouldn't support her, like, I wonder if he was signaling that he meant it as a joke? Because David Duke, he must know, David Duke isn't actually supporting Kamala.

He's doing it to try to taint her reputation.

Simone Collins: I don't know. I really don't know. I don't know. [00:37:00] I think it was an earnest and an earnest endorsement of Kamala Harris.

Malcolm Collins: That's what I read. I will cite the people who he cited. Hold on really quickly.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And Nick Fuentes, he cited yeah, no, he, he cited, I think Nick Fuentes, I don't know if Nick Fuentes is earnestly endorsing Kamala.

I really don't know, but While that paragraph was a little bit confusing, and maybe a little bit of a flippant joke, I do think the rest of his Arguments were very earnest.

Malcolm Collins: So he said, Richard Spencer, David Duke, Nick Fuentes, and Curtis Yarvin. Now I know Curtis Yarvin cause I was just talking with him two days ago about this was joking.

Sorry, we just got back from hereticon and had a lot of fun with Curtis is actually a really fun guy. I consider him a friend. By the way, he's looking pretty fit these days. Looking very good. Yeah. Did you notice like he used to be bigger, right? Like it's not just me.

Simone Collins: I'm not really good [00:38:00] at remembering or noticing these things, but he, he looked great at Hereticon.

Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. It looks great. But so Curtis Jarvis, I don't know, I don't know, Nick Fuentes, Richards. I actually beef with Nick Fuentes and some of the things I've written. So like, I, I strongly disagree with well specifically I very obviously given my push turds, pluralism have a problem with, um, what's it called?

Catholic integralism which is Nick Fuentes like, core political And he's

Simone Collins: also anti immigration, right? And you're super pro immig I'm pro skilled Skilled immigration.

Malcolm Collins: Anti unskilled immigration. Richard Spencer, obviously, I don't know Come on, he must He can't, he can't say heterodox thinkers like Curtis Yarvin, Nick Fuentes, Richard Spencer, David Duke.

Does he think that they really support her? It

Simone Collins: could be, you know, I don't get the impression. And I think he even read about this in his post that he's not very politically involved and he doesn't really like writing about this, but he feels a need, a civic responsibility [00:39:00] to make comments and to use his platform for good.

And he genuinely doesn't think that Donald Trump is the best candidate for some valid reasons. He has, he's some valid concerns, especially if you don't know. A lot of the background. Yeah. There, there's additional No, no, no. I have no problem. I think if he did know he, he would be more in favor of Trump.

But given how skewed most information people have available about Trump is, I don't blame him. Especially if he's not interested in this stuff and he's not super tapped in. And also keep in mind, he lives in the heart of a very, very progressive area. So he, yeah. His availability to anything that isn't super biased is like.

No, sorry.

Malcolm Collins: I'm not saying I don't have any problem with this. This is, I would expect him to support Camelot. Like that would be like, what's he going to do? Right? Like he basically got a gun to his head from all directions given where he lives.

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Malcolm Collins: He doesn't, he doesn't exactly have a choice in the matter. But

Simone Collins: yeah,

Malcolm Collins: but the, the thing I found interesting was how he does it.

Like I can't tell if he's trying to underhandedly signal, no, I don't actually support her, but I'm going to make No,

Simone Collins: because there's arguments or two. And even his counterarguments where he's like, here's one. Like my best man,

Malcolm Collins: like it was all the arguments and counterarguments and then he's like, like Curtis Jarvin, David Duke.

I know. I know that

Simone Collins: I'm just assuming that he doesn't read deeply on that.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, that's, that's actually almost like endearingly cute that like he sees this and he's like, yeah, they all genuinely [00:41:00] support her and aren't doing it to try to poison her by attaching their known toxic reputations to her. Anyway, I found that really fun.

So, any final thoughts, Simone?

Simone Collins: I, you have fundamentally shifted once again. I just, I love you so much. I love our conversations. You fundamentally shifted the way that I view married women in the United States. They are Like nuns, but married to the state and the state, like a partner would provides them when they need it with food, with health care, with safety, even with housing with child care support, it basically does everything a husband would do and it's stepping in to do more and more of that.

While further isolating them from any form of community or relationship that would give that to them. And this is just so indicative of what the urban monoculture does, which is atomized humans, [00:42:00] disintermediate strong communities and strong social ties that people used to rely on for help and replace that.

With government and private services that will do it instead. And while if you'd asked me before I learned more, if that's a problem, I'd be like, no, it's better, whatever market competition, you know, this, this parses everything apart from corrupted religions, but now, I mean, I've, I've seen how childcare fails.

I've seen how these services are not enough and they're not producing flourishing humans. And so it's, it's. It's very sad and toxic what's happening.

Malcolm Collins: Well, and I would say my core takeaway from this, and, you know, previously I said, if Trump comes into office, one thing I'd really like to help run for the department or work on for the department is helping clean up the size of government, you know, cut it down for Republicans to win longterm, one of the most efficacious efforts they could focus on, it would be akin to them, to the unrestricted immigration that [00:43:00] Democrats are focused on.

is getting people married.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: It would be good for pronatalism. It would be good for the state and it would increase their odds of winning.

Simone Collins: Yeah. So you need to do what Tokyo is doing with that dating app, but way better, way more effective. Well, I mean, I think that they can get back to my gosh. This is, so there's been all these Bridgerton balls that are failed social media scams, but people keep going to them because they just want there to be the London, really people don't know what the London season is, but they want the London season again.

They want Debbie top balls. They want to like find their man. And there actually have been, I think in Utah for a while, the governor actually organized big parties. I think in the government governor's mansion. Bringing people together, sometimes singles, but I think sometimes just old people do whatever, like all sorts of people.

But if just on a wide scale, we brought back Debbie tot balls, you would like debut to the president, you know, and then you, you bow and you get dressed and you do this whole thing and you'd be on the dating market. [00:44:00] People would fricking love that the Instagram opportunities. I actually

Malcolm Collins: think that you're right about that.

Like I hadn't considered this, but bringing back the concept of the debutante ball, people love parties.

Simone Collins: People want to dress up for stuff and people don't get to dress up for

Malcolm Collins: anything. And that is an aristocracy again, but something that they can participate in. Not

Simone Collins: just Like just having an opportunity to take photos of something and dress up for something, ready for something.

In fact, there's even this weird gen alpha trend where they're like, Oh my gosh, it's so cute. You get to put on little outfits and everything where they're like talking about how novel and cute it is to go to an office because they just get to go and like dress up and look pretty for something. We need this.

Okay. So. There's my little dream.

Malcolm Collins: I love those. And imagine in a few generations, they might be a romanticization of the days when people worked from offices. Yeah. And like

Simone Collins: power lunch and stuff like, Oh my gosh, how cute. Like, Oh my

Malcolm Collins: gosh, how quaint and historic. People

Simone Collins: can afford to eat at restaurants.

And yeah, I mean, it just, yeah. But I, I've, I [00:45:00] feel like things like that are so underrated and they'd be so inexpensive to execute. And, and yet. It's wasted all these governor's mansions, the White House, all these event spaces are wasted and now used for stupid salesforce gatherings. You know, it's just so sad that they're all just for corporate retreats now and marketing events when they could be for bringing people together.

That's what these old spaces were originally meant for ballrooms. When are ballrooms used for balls anymore? Right. I was thinking about this the other day when we were looking at hotel ballrooms and various like spaces and walking around. And I was like, there are no balls anymore. Why are you calling it a ballroom?

Like call it an event space. Give up, stop. You're embarrassing yourself. This is sad.

Malcolm Collins: Well, at, at Hereticon, we were, we were, we were at like the nicest, like, like club thing. It was insane. You know, it was like a,

Simone Collins: it was like a museum. It was like a Bond film party. No, I wasn't [00:46:00] there were ambient

Malcolm Collins: dancers where they had like people on stilts and like skimpy outfits and everything Other it's like just waving their arms yes, yes, and I Walked around and they had like, you know like figures holding like glow glowing orbs and stuff and like multiple areas where you could like look at other people dancing from like Upstairs and everything.

Simone Collins: It was

Malcolm Collins: wild but I also said it was interesting how much I took in of this is I am so appreciative that this is not my life that I am not in this like daily Silicon Valley aristocracy, which I was for a while. And they do parties like this constantly. Do you remember back in like Silicon Valley when we had to go to like all of the VC parties and stuff like that?

Cause we were like raising and it's like a thing.

Simone Collins: It's a thing. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And I think that it's just important to, to like gut check. And I, I feel so bad that so many people don't get the opportunity to do [00:47:00] this. How much you would actually be unhappy if you were living this, like whatever lifestyle.

Simone Collins: I think it could be fun if it were about finding a partner.

Because then it's all about planning a partnership, it's

romance, it's planning with your friends, it's thinking about what your future could be. Which

Malcolm Collins: is funny because at like, okay, so like at Hereticon, you and I, I think we're friends, like good friends with all of the most eligible single girls, and like we're trying to find them partners.

And like striking out.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Well, guys expectations are unreasonable. And that's one of the biggest issues. And it's also really hard to find guys who are good enough for high achieving women. But that's something we've beaten on until it's.

Malcolm Collins: Or willing to settle. High achieving guys just aren't willing to settle.

Simone Collins: No, not at all. Yeah. So they're going to live alone forever.

Malcolm Collins: I love you to death, Simone. You are my absolute favorite. I gotta show you. She has fallen asleep and it is really cute.

Simone Collins: [00:48:00] She was

Malcolm Collins: just out. Oh, she was freaking out before.

Simone Collins: Well, she always gets a little fussy before she falls asleep, but then once she's out, she's out, so

Malcolm Collins: I love you.

You're amazing.

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