I think when I look back at the first Extinction, Beckins catalogue which was the first iteration sort of I can see almost everything still in there. But also it seems to me that it's still there in the work, you know, even now. And how much is that related to this notion of hybrid script which you developed in that sort of mid-90s period? It's quite a clear idea of three different elements to a certain degree. So all these ideas of course I sold not and it was all hypothetical but I witnessed the audience come in and look at this and they really didn't go anywhere with it. They just saw the object and didn't really take it to

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