i think the insight machinery, iht, its being exapted right into flow. These are mystical experiences that cause people to do that tremendous transformation. And again, that's not a final state. It's to be merged into a particular course of development. So i would like to talk to a ken about that, because it just, i mean, i just sort of had that thought. Now, i don't know it's right, but the metaphor of a spiral suggests to me, wight, something like acceptation is occurring. That was part one of our interview with john vervake. Check out his lecture series, awakening from the meaning crisis, on youtube.

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