In this episode, Nathan sits down with Shawn Jansepar, Director of Engineering at Khan Academy, to discuss their GPT-4 powered Socratic tutor, Khanmigo. In this conversation, Shawn and Nathan chat about Khan Academy’s collaboration with OpenAI and how they helped fine-tune GPT-4, how Khan Academy leveraged GPT-4 to build Khanmigo, and the impact of providing access to an AI tutor to any student. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Episode Preview: Education 10 years from now
(04:42) Khan Academy’s early access partnership with OpenAI
(06:31) Khanmigo: journey from Chrome extension to AI tutor
(11:36) GPT-4’s ability to be Socratic vs 3.5
(15:05) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky
(16:40) Integrating Khan Academy’s Pedagogy into AI
(20:06) The future of education 10 years from now
(22:37) Khan Academy’s models
(27:20) Demo-driven development process
(31:16) Sculpting the behaviour of a Socratic tutor model
(35:59) Khan Academy’s contribution to GPT-4’s fine-tuning and RLHF
(38:41) Being data-informed vs data-driven as a practice
(42:10) Incurring tech debt to get ahead of the curve
(45:28) The boundary for what an AI can/can’t t tutor
(49:30) Identifying when the user is confused and avoiding AI hallucinations
(53:54) Khanmigo’s development patterns
(59:11) Making Khanmigo jailbreak resistant
(01:01:50) Delivering personalized education with AI
(01:04:08) How Shawn and his team are thinking about AI education
(01:05:33) Khanmigo’s future multimodal interactivity
(01:08:42) Evaluating Khanmigo’s efficacy for student learning
(01:11:41) How widely is Khanmigo deployed today and what is the future for universal public access?
(01:05:11) Distribution through teachers and districts
(01:16:30) What are the reactions from teachers and education institutions to AI?
(01:18:15) Khanmigo’s pricing model
(01:19:03) The future roadmap for Khanmigo
(01:20:45) How will the AI tutor change the world at large?
LINKS:
Khanmigo: khan.co/khanmigo23
Benjamin Bloom’s 2-Sigma Problem: https://web.mit.edu/5.95/www/readings/bloom-two-sigma.pdf
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