Are You a Pessimist or an Optimist?

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i'm pretty pessimistic about ta feature of america. When i look at what's ese happening in the heart of a country, i turn to be pretty optimistic. I am constantly witness to remarkable young people and remarkable civic religious leaders who are building a potlok nation in an inner fith America. And that's the traide i want to be on.

Eboo Patel is the founder of Interfaith America and the author of We Need to Build: Field Notes For Diverse Democracy. Patel also served as an advisor on faith to President Barack Obama.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Eboo Patel discuss why it’s so common for faith-based organizations to serve communities beyond their own; why Patel once embraced critical race theory but eventually moved beyond it; and the vital role of civil society organizations in the fabric of American democracy.

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