Hagen: We are currently a 19 terawatt global culture that at any given time the power usage around the planet is 19 terawatts. Simon Rishow has said we need to reduce that to five terawatts for the multipolar crisis to be less critical and that that involves radical change. Hagen: The immediate battle is to start to get large institutions and more institutions as well turning in the right direction so they can help people on their journey of transformation.

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