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570 - Rich Ayers (Muralist)
Tangentially Speaking with Christopher Ryan
Rick Rubin: A Musician's Perspective
"I'm also a musician as well. So, you know, being a conduit and allowing things to kind of flow through you is not unfamiliar to me at all," he says. "The only band that I really ever did much was this band called Empire, Empire,. It's got a really long name."
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