Motherhood is a big theme in the book obviously with particularly with Melissa and the way that have motherhood affect her sense of self. I think we should take on more of the Scandinavian model making it easier to do co-parenting and dual parenting which has a huge impact on relationships. We're both sort of both genders are entrapped by these old roles these traditional roles that we seem to find it very hard to break out of as a society well as promised before we're going to hear a clip from the audiobook of ordinary people and having talked about London earlier on in the podcast there is a great bit where we follow Michael on his morning commute through London.