The pastor of southbrook church named charley macman. He's been a guest on this show because he at so much impact in my life. The best preachers ore in conversation with individuals during the week, and then they kind of sculped a story, a collective story that they then mirror back to the congregation or whenever the congregation gathers. And i love text studies as one of the kind of disciplines for for personal growth. I imagine it is, like stepping into a river of conversation, and you just get, like, swimming.

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