There's a tension that exists between monetization and influence, right? That, especially in the subscription model, when you directly align it with advertising, then influence is much more aligned with your monetization. I mean, there were definitely elements of both, but if I was being honest, I do think the influence piece better more because I was doing both free to pay pieces. And so where are we today in the journey? So I launched a podcast in 2019. Yeah.

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