The Experience of Writing a Book of a Story of Misunderstood

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i was talking about my last book with people versus democracy. Was just about arites of popularism and fretted oses to democracy. And i went on yo, the biggest television show, news show in germany,. And i was a little bit nervous. Th first question i was asked was, you know, what explains the rise of popis canets like donald trump and so on. I said, look, it's got to do with a rise of intenet. It's also due to do with this great experiment were wein to day. Im that for the first time, we're trying to build tis divers democracies. But i think we're going

Yascha Mounk is a professor at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies, a contributing writer at The Atlantic, and the founder of Persuasion. His new book, The Great Experiment: Why Diverse Democracies Fall Apart and How They Can Endure, was published this week.

In this week’s conversation, Ravi Gupta and Yascha Mounk discuss why it is so hard to build diverse democracies, how we can overcome the deeply human instinct to discriminate against those unlike ourselves, and why he remains optimistic about the prospects of the “great experiment.”

This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.

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