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Masha Gessen and Joshua Yaffa on the Escalation of Violence in Ukraine

The New Yorker Radio Hour

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Do You Think Zlenski Wants to Hive Off Western Ucrane?

You were an adviser to president zlenski for a year, his first year in office. Have you had any contact with him or people in his circle in recent days? I mean, you don't win hearts and minds with bomsan geneside. It's a very simple rule, but it's very effective. But even pro russians in ukraine am now turning against russia.

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