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712: Thoughtful meandering with William Deresiewicz

Humanize Me

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The World Is Our Relationship With the World

"I think for all of us. It's for me to feel like I have a more satisfactory relationship with reality," he says. "It feels much more urgent now, I think, whether we're talking about the physical world of climate change or the world of ideas in the politics of our nation."

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