"I don't envy you having to wrestle with that, it threw me out," he says. "The willingness to understand what whiteness is and be willing to in a way to detach your identity from it is I think what part of what is required" He's not losing sleep over some panic sense about 'how am I going to defend whiteness'
“How attached are you to the idea of being white?” Chenjerai Kumanyika puts that question to host John Biewen, as they revisit an unfinished conversation from a previous episode. Part 7 of our series, Seeing White.