If you become a design leader, seat ad the table. Your users are the designers that you lead and hen your other set of users are the leadership team. I think that's the other thin. You serve them, and then you empower them, and thenYou get out of their way,. Love it, man. So this is my last question, peck. What's your best advice for designers that are wanting to grow their knowledge and experience much more in the business side of design? Do you have book recommendations, coarse recommendations, or just life style choice?

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