The Future of Crypto and the DeFi Mullet

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PayPal and Venmo have over 400 million users. There has been the ability to buy, hold, and sell crypto assets like Ether or Bitcoin. Over the last year or so, we've created what we would call a bankless, a bankless wallet. I wouldn't call it a backdoor. I think it's a front door. The crypto ecosystem needs a onboarding and onboarding connectivity. We just need to make sure that you can build it. It is something that has been in payments for 20 years. For mainstream adoption, we will need to have solutions that abstract complexity from the user.

Can we go Bankless using PayPal? We brought on Jose Fernandez da Ponte, the Senior Vice President of Blockchain, Crypto, and Digital Currencies at PayPal and Venmo to help us answer that question. Jose is responsible for driving PayPal’s efforts to bring the utility of crypto-assets and crypto-networks to their hundreds of millions of global consumers.

He also knows a thing or two about how the banking system works and how to fix it. And we also got the SVP of PayPal to say, “DeFi Mullet,” not once, but three times.

*PayPal currently offers crypto services only in the U.S., U.K., and Luxembourg. Venmo is available in the US only.

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------ In today’s episode, we cover:

1) What PayPal sees in crypto 2) What PayPal’s 400M accounts can do with crypto today 3) How we get to $1T in stablecoins 4) What’s the role of CDBCs in a world of highly successful stablecoins? Can CDBCs and crypto co-exist? 5) Jose’s contrarian view on crypto regulatory environment in the U.S. and why he sees it as a “glass half full”

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------ TIMESTAMPS:

0:00 Intro 7:55 What a PayPal Dollar Is 11:21 PayPal & Venmo Crypto 16:29 The Crypto Strategy 22:59 DeFi Mullet 27:33 Service Providers 31:24 Is Crypto Useless? 32:30 PayPal’s Crypto Back-End 34:40 How Hard Was PayPal’s Crypto Integration? 36:35 Path to $1T In Stablecoins 40:31 Payments 44:36 Gaming 46:46 Network Integration 49:47 DeFi on PayPal’s Radar? 56:38 What’s Broken About U.S. Banking? 1:01:51 Settlement in the U.S. 1:06:32 Best Digital Cash Society 1:13:10 Stablecoins in the U.S. 1:16:25 Crypto Regulation 1:20:44 Making Crypto More Useable 1:23:30 Closing & Disclaimers

------ RESOURCES:

Jose Fernandez da Ponte https://www.linkedin.com/in/jose-fernandez-da-ponte-a46ba81/

Payments and Evolution of Stablecoins Paper https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4425922

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