I don't think there should be simulated hells. I do think if people were consenting, we should be allowed to have gladiatorial matches. The consent is hard to achieve in those situations. It always starts getting slippery. Like it could be also forced consent. There's way too much excitement. This is what he highlights. There's something about human nature that wants to see that violence. And it's really dark. You hope that we can sort of overcome that aspect of human nature, but that's still within us somewhere.

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