I'm really interested in the processes you're undertaking in Sweden. How do you and they step out into presumably a future that we don't want and then come back into this reality? Is there a jarring and a distant that you have to manage as the leader of that? Definitely. It's something that's more pronounced because we're usually working in a deeper way. The session in Sweden was just 25 minutes total. So that was the real magic trick there.

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