"I feel like the real problem is that none of them actually follow the doctrine to a T," he says. "They'll be like, oh, well, if you really look into it, it's not like that." The 60th hamwater, 160th If the ham touches your soup. At that point, it's so crazy,. And he's over one soup with a little bit of ham. He was willing to talk about it, but his intention was never to pour the conversation to go on that direction.