John Permann is the editor of Red all over the land, a Liverpool fanzine. He started it in 1995 when he was looking for an early retirement. Since that day Everton haven't won a trophy and I think Liverpool have won a few but can't part of it. So if I did curse Everton on the way home, I'll just say it worked. And not a bad lucky charm for Liverpool. The James's places website is James place.org.uk. There is a 24 seven crisis line if you text shout the word shout to 85258 back to to James's place. We will get over now on to our next segment and then Dan himself will be back