How Does It Feel on the Other Side When You Start to See the Light?

VPN was very strategic, lean and disciplined in our growth. We would pump the money back into the product-based business that allowed us to internally fund the growth of VPN. It's a really good feeling you can sleep again at night yeah well I was listening to a podcast with you on my first million and they're asking you like why don't you just get rid of the product business? "I thought that spoke so true to your passion and where your heart is"