The Evolution of Play in Animals

Gordon Berghart: It's interesting to me that most people with zero interest in science whatsoever just assume that any, any like scientists are these mad scientists plotting against them or whatever which says a little bit more about what's going on in their lives than the reality. There's a lot of literature out there and play in animals and all its, uh, variations of their new journals that will come out in the last few years. I can't wait to have you back on to talk about lizards really soon.