As I record this episode, it's been about six hours after the major news networks have declared that Donald Trump will once again be the President of the United States. I've got a lot of feelings. I'm unsurprised, but also disheartened.

I'm still processing all of this and I know you are too. So today I want to bring you an impromptu chat that I have with my dear friend Petra Molnar. Petra is a migration and human rights lawyer, a colleague at York University, where she is the Associate Director of the Refugee Law Lab, and the author of The Walls Have Eyes, Surviving Migration in the Age of Artificial Intelligence.

Petra was with me back in 2016, the day after Trump defeated Hillary Clinton. I was teaching a class on migration and the diaspora, and I had invited Petra to speak. Instead, we went off script in that class and just held space for students who were horrified by Trump's victory. So when I saw the election results last night showing that Trump will have a second term, I immediately thought of Petra, And the experience we shared that day in 2016.

We chatted today, the day after the elections, and discussed what we might expect in terms of the impacts of Trump's election on border policies, on research, on higher education, and on critical thought. We also talked about how to fight back, and on hope as a critical practice.